Royal Munster Fusiliers Association News
|For any News and Notices then you can contact the secretary, T.Moloney, 86
High Meadows, Gouldavoher, Limerick, Ireland.
o'clock on November 11th,2011, without any great pomp, the
committee of the Royal Munster Fusiliers Association laid a
wreath on the Limerick war memorial. This was done, not only
on behalf of our home members in Ireland, but also for those
of our members scattered throughout the world.
General Meeting of the Royal Munster Fusiliers
Association will be held on:
Saturday May 5, 2012, at 2pm. Hibernian Hotel,
Mallow, Co. Cork.
On Wednesday April 25, The RMFA Committee laid a wreath at
the Limerick War Memorial
in memory of the dead of the regiment.
INAUGURATION OF THE IRON 12
L’INAUGURATION DU MONUMENT DES DOUZE D’IRON
SATURDAY 17 SEPTEMBER 2023
SAMEDI 17 SEPTEMBRE 2011
10h00 ASSEMBLE AT THE MAIN GATE OF GUISE CASTLE,
RUE DE LA
CITADELLE, GUISE AND PROCESS TO THE EXECUTION SITE.
RASSEMBLEMENT� LA PORTE PRINCIPALE DU CHATEAU DE
DE LA CITADELLE , GUISE,ET D�FIL�VERS LE SITE DE
11h15 ST M�DARD CEMETERY, GUISE : WREATH-LAYING
ON THE GRAVES OF
THE ELEVEN BRITISH SOLDIERS AND OF M. VINCENT
LE CIMETI�RE DE ST M�DARD, GUISE :DEP�T DES GERBES
LESTOMBES DES ONZE SOLDATS BRITANNIQUES ET DE M
12h00 FREE TIME.
14h3O : ASSEMBLE AT THE SITE OF THE LOGEZ MILL,
IRON, NOW THE CERENA
AGRICULTURAL SUPPLIES DEPOT, 28 RUE DE HANNAPPES,
RASSEMBLEMENT � L’EMPLACEMENTDE L’ANCIENMOULIN LOGEZ,
AUJOURD’HUI L’ENTREP�T DE CERENA, 28 RUE DE
14h45 : PROCESS TO THE SITE OF THE IRON 12
MEMORIAL BESIDE THE IRON
VILLAGE WAR MEMORIAL.
D�FIL�� L’EMPLACEMENT DU MONUMENT DES DOUZE D’IRON,
DU MONUMENT AUX MORTS , IRON.
15h00 : INAUGURATION CEREMONY.
15h45 : REFRESHMENTS IN THE TOWN HALL.
COCKTAILDE CLOUTURE � LA MARIE, RUE DU MOULIN, IRON.
IN ADDITION DURING THE WEEKEND OF 17-18 SEPTEMBER
2011 THERE WILL BE AN
EXHIBITION ON ‘RESISTANCE IN THE NORD DEPARTMENT
DURING THE GREAT WAR’
IN THE SALLE DE SALLE DE F�TES, IRON.
EN PLUS LE WEEKEND LE 17-18 SEPTEMBRE 2011 IL Y AURA
UNE PR�SENTATION DE L’
EXPOSITION ‘RESISTANTS DANS LE NORD PENDANT LA
MONDIALE’ � LA SALLE DE F�TES, IRON.
Wreath Laying at Islandbridge
|THE QUEEN AT ISLANDBRIDGE
We were honoured to be present at the wreath laying ceremony by the
Queen and President Macaleese at the National War Memorial Gardens
in Dublin on May 18. The ceremony was attended by some six hundred
guests from the various strands of ex-military organisations, and
could in fact have served as a convention for the entire
ex-regimental association family.
The Memorial Gardens were a credit to all responsible for their
upkeep; they looked splendid in the early summer with well-tended
lawns off-setting the granite monumental masonry. The weather to
begin with was breezy and overcast but soon began to pick up, with
the sun occasionally breaking through to warm us. After the arrival
of the Queen and the President, and the playing of both National
anthems, the wreaths were laid. This was carried out in dignified
silence. Then the party walked a short distance to view the books
containing the names of the Irish war dead. That concluded the
ceremony. The significance of this great historical occasion was
felt by all present and, hopefully, will have set a precedent for
future visiting dignitaries.
|Annual General Meeting 2011
|Our Annual General Meeting was held
in the Hibernian Hotel, Mallow on Saturday May 7. We were pleased
that the meeting had a good attendance and a great amount of
business was covered in the two hours allotted. After the meeting
there was plenty of time to meet old friends, all of whom had
arrived from all points of the province.
The reports of the Secretary, and the Treasurer, gave a picture of a
very strong organisation, pointing to good prospects for the future,
provided that we remain within present financial boundaries.
The following is a small selection of points discussed at the Annual
It was accepted by the meeting that the Association committee be
increased by 3 members. The three members (unopposed): J.
Prendergast (Cork); G. White (Cork); T. Dillon (Kerry).
Committee now: J. Prendergast; G. White; T. Dillon; B. Good;
It was agreed that the RMFA journal would now be distributed from
Cork by the Journal Committee; the Journal Committee having for that
purpose a nominal roll of all bona fide members.
A more simplified RMFA Constitution/Rules put before the meeting was
The meeting agreed that the membership fee be increased to €15, to
offset the cost of producing the new style journal and also to bring
the Association in line with similar organisations.
It was agreed that the occasional meetings between the Executive and
its committee continue.
It was suggested that the Association produce a greeting card based
on a design adopted by the Royal Munster Fusiliers (pending).
April 25 2011
Our Annual Gallipoli Commemoration was held at the Limerick war
memorial on Monday April 25.
At the stroke of eleven the wreath was laid commemorating the men of
the Royal Munster Fusiliers,
and by extension, all who were lost in that unfortunate venture. A
list of the names of Limerick men
lost in the conflict was read out, after which a minutes’ silence
was observed. Then came the
customary verse from Binyon’s For The Fallen.
It is testimony to the horrific nature of the First World War that,
ninety-six years after the event, we
still feel compelled to honour their brave sacrifice. Although the
Gallipoli Campaign itself was seen
by some as a “side show” (it lasted nine months) it cost the allies
44,092 dead and 96,937 wounded -
some side show.
The dead, those with graves, lie within the 31 CWGC cemeteries on
the peninsula, for those who died
on hospital ships and were buried at sea, there is no known grave;
these men’s names are each
recorded on one of the five memorials to the missing.
|Dear Regimental Association
I met with Andr� Gruselle, the Mayor of Iron, yesterday in Iron. The
date for the inauguration of the memorial has been fixed for
Saturday 17 September 2011.
As well as the inauguration of the memorial I hope that there will
be some events in Guise at the Town Hall (to say thank you to the
Mayor for preseving and marking Chalandre's grave), the execution
site at the Chateau, and, of course, at the cemetery where the 12
are buried and the unveiling of a new commemorative plaque on
Chalandre's tomb. But the Guise programme has yet to be agreed - or
So it will be a full and busy day.
In France that weekend is le weekend du Patrimoine, devoted to a
consideration of local history and culture. As part of this we hope
- and I would stress that it is a hope - to put on a small
exhibition in Iron Village Hall about the Iron 12. At the very least
we can offer a guided walk around the village to show some of the
sites linked to the tragedy.
And of course you may wish to make your own visits to places of
importance to your own regiments.
A busy day? A busy weekend, I think.
Please, please don't take this as a message that we already have
enough money. We don't! Please keep the donations rolling in.
Launch of new style RMFA journal
We are pleased that our members will now be receiving their first issue
of a new style RMFA journal; as was decided at our Annual General
Meeting at Mallow, County Cork in, 2010. We were very fortunate to have
had the expertise of a talented editorial committee, who have produced a
professional and interesting magazine worthy of our admiration. Our
members will forgive us for being a little late, but all will agree that
the result was worth it. For those (both members and non-members)
wishing to purchase surplus copies, the prices are:
Republic of Ireland - €7, (includes p&p)
United Kingdom, USA, Canada, Australia, etc, €10, (includes p&p)
Association members who wish to purchase surplus journals, may
do so at the reduced price of €5.
Postal contact address:
J. McNulty, 1, College View Drive, Shannon Banks, Limerick.
Articles and letters for the Association journal are always
welcome at :
18th ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING 2011.
The Annual General Meeting of the Royal Munster Fusiliers Association
will be held in the Hibernian Hotel, Mallow, Co. Cork, on Saturday May
7, commencing at 3p.m.
1. Apologies for absence
2. Minutes of the last Annual General meeting
3. Chairman’s address
4. To receive the annual report from: The Secretary; the Treasurer
5. Adoption of reports - Moved by - Seconded by.
6. Appointment of committee and executives
7. To consider recommendations
8. Any other business.
Note: the closing date for recommendations (proposals) is one week prior
to the AGM.
First RMFA wreath in Cork November 1993.
It was not long after the Royal Munster Fusiliers Association was
founded in Limerick that it was decided to attract some attention in
Cork, once the largest catchment area of the ‘Munsters’. We had by this
time several members from Cork in the Association but we thought it
better not to attempt too big a show. So with that in mind, on a grey
November day in 1993 four of us piled into a car and set off for Cork to
lay a wreath at their war memorial. We left at 7a.m. from Limerick,
arriving and parking at Cork at 8.30. It was planned to lay our wreath
precisely at 11 a.m., so we had plenty of time to reconnoitre and get a
‘feel’ of the situation. When the eleventh hour struck, and the little
ceremony had started, we were delighted to notice that some passers-by
had stopped to watch in silence, impressed seemingly by the quiet
dignity of the laying. It might be fanciful for me to think that our
small act sparked what was later to become the impressive Remembrance
Day ceremony now seen in Cork - but who is to say?
We only stayed long enough to take one or two photographs for
‘posterity’, and then home. It seems so long now since that day, and sad
to think that three of the four who travelled with me are now gone.
|LAYING THE WREATH
Left to right, J. Raels (RIP), J. Connery (RIP), G.
J. Moore (RIP) took the photograph
Cork Examiner 1916 (extract)
“8th Royal Munster Fusiliers, BEF, June 14th, 1916
Dear Miss Doyle,
The beautiful banner, so kindly sent to us by the good people of
Limerick, was presented to the Munsters last evening at church parade by
our dear chaplain, Rev. J. Rafter, S.J. The banner was greatly admired
by all, and we are satisfied that this emblem of the Sacred Heart will
bring God’s blessing on our regiment and victory to our arms in this
terrible war. The brave boys of Limerick in the regiment send you all
the heartiest greetings and ask me to say that Limerick muscle and
Limerick brains will yet make the Hun regret his attack (barbarous and
furious) on civilisation."
(the banner can be
viewed in the local museum in Kilmallock, Co. Limerick.)
Some members of the royal Munster Fusiliers
Association among the attendance of the Remembrance Day ceremony
in Limerick, Nov. 14, 2010.
THE MEN OF THOMOND
The Royal Munster Fusiliers
Association attended a ceremony of remembrance at Saint Marys (Church of
Ireland) Cathedral on Sunday Nov 7, 2010. This is an annual event in
which many other ex-services associations also attend and is, as the
attendances very clearly show, most popular with the congregation. The
ceremony was inaugurated in the early 1990s to honour the sacrifice made
by the men of Thomond (Gaelic for North Munster) in the Great War
(although the ancient walls themselves have more than their fair share
of marble memorials honouring the soldiering aristocracy of the
nineteenth century). The losses in the Great War were such that, shortly
afterwards, a special memorial for that conflict was erected in a
prominent place in the church; and to embrace the memory of all the
denominations of the area, the organisers titled the memorial ‘In memory
of the men of Thomond’.
The ceremony on Nov. 7 of course
was never intended to replace the main event at the Limerick War
Memorial on Pery Square; rather, it enhances it by its announcement, a
precursor, if you will. When the religious service was over, tea and
cakes were served to all; a most welcome and hospitable gesture to end a
At St Mary's memorial service.
MASS GRAVE AT FROMELLES
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be a
mass grave near the former battle site of Fromelles in north eastern
France. The experts believe that as many as 400 troops, mostly
Australian, may be buried at the spot.
The battle of Fromelles was intended to draw the Germans away from the
Somme area at which point had been raging the major battle from July 1.
The action at Fromelles was so badly planned that it badly soured
relations between Australian and British Commanders: it was the greatest
disaster experienced by Australian forces in the whole war. The total
number of Australians killed, injured or captured was 5,533; of the
supporting British troops 1,547 were killed.
‘The dig, by Glasgow University Archaeological Research Division
(Guard), is examining ground near woods where it is believed the Germans
buried the dead in pits.’
‘Peter Barton, a WW1 historian involved in the dig, said he hoped to be
able to determine the nationality of any remains found. Mr Barton said
that after the battle the dead soldier’s personal possessions had been
removed by the Germans and eventually returned to their families. Maj
Gen O’Brien, of the Australian army, said the “slow and methodical”
excavation was important for the whole of Australia. The work is being
overseen by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission and has the consent
of the French, British and Australian governments.’
It is also possible that there might be among the remains some Royal
Munster Fusiliers who may have been posted as “attached”.
|Mr. Michael Lee, centre, with the President and her husband at
the recent unveiling of the memorial to the 10th Irish Division
at Gallipoli. Mr. Lee is a member of the Royal Munster Fusiliers
President McAleese's visit to Gallipoli: On the 24th March 2010,
President Mary McAleese visited Gallipoli to commemorate over 3,000 Irish
soldiers who died in the British Army in WWI.
The President said she hopes a joint British-Irish commemoration to mark the
Gallipoli landings will be possible on the centenary of the engagement in
five years' time.
She was speaking during a visit to a cemetery there where many Irish remains
Mrs McAleese fulfilled a number of engagements including a visit to the
Turkish monument, a ceremony at the memorial to British and Irish soldiers
who died, and a dedication of a commemorative plinth (see photo) at another
Speaking at V beach, where many Irish perished in an abortive landing, the
President said that those who fell at Gallipoli were doubly disadvantaged;
they were shunned at home for having worn the British uniform and their
sacrifice was forgotten because they had been associated with defeat.
This was the first official recognition by the State of Irish involvement in
the Gallipoli landings.
It is estimated that over 3,000 Irish soldiers died out of a total of 44,000
on the allied side in WWI.
They died over six months in 1915 in a failed attempt by the Allies - whose
key members included Britain, France and the Russian Empire - to secure the
approaches to Istanbul and the Black Sea.
Some 80,000 Turkish soldiers lost their lives in the campaign.
The visit had been a long time coming for those who have been campaigning
for the recognition of the role played by Irish soldiers in the British
Army. RTE News
The banners of the Royal Munster Fusiliers Association (carried by Mr.
Neil Leinster) and Royal Dublin Fusiliers Association (carried by Mr. Seamus
Green) along with the banner of the 10th Irish Division were on parade.
Mouse over Images to expand
Fallen Remembered in Limerick" article by
Major Brian Duffy (Left)
(Image to Left):
Major Duffy, V/President
Royal British Legion, Limerick, at the Gallipoli commemoration
in Limerick, April 25, 2010. NB:Image is actual
G. Spillane (2nd. Left) T. Moloney (2nd right), D
The Royal Munster Fusiliers Association
commemoration at Limerick on April 25, 2010, in honour of the Irishmen
who fell at Gallipoli
The Chairman, front, and the Secretary at the
Gallipoli Day, Limerick, April 25, 2023
This is the actual area where the Last General
Absolution of the 2nd Battalion RMF, (as depicted in
Matania's famous painting), took place on May 8, 1915. The sign
itself is only a temporary one and it is hoped that, with the help
of some friends of the RMFA in France, a permanent sign can be fixed
on the spot. The wall enclosed the area where the 2nd Battalion
formed up for the ceremony and beyond lay the
area of the ensuiing battle of Aubers Ridge.
Proposed erection of memorial for the victims of Iron/Guise
We now have
an outline and the dimensions of the proposed memorial for the victims at
Iron/Guise, (our members will be familiar with the tragedy, outlined on our
website during the months May/June).
The estimated cost of the memorial is €12,000 (excluding bronze plaque),
which is considerably more than the anticipated figure of €5,000/6,000.
However, it is believed that if an Iron Memorial Fund is set up as a charity
and/or public liability company then we should be able to avoid VAT. It is
suggested also that if the builders can be persuaded to spend a couple of
days installing the monument - rather than making a donation - this would
avoid the charge for erection (€3,000), making the total cost more
manageable. There is already a bank account opened to receive funds (which
will be good for those who wish to pay in sterling). We may need other
arrangements for those who wish to donate in Euros: see details below.
The uniqueness of this project requires that we respond in a positive way
and I, as your chairman, would urge our members to make some donation. An ad
hoc committee has agreed in principle to also make a donation from our funds
and it only remains for us to contact the rest of the association committee
in the province to decide the amount.
Shot by Germans:
The proposed memorial is dedicated to 5, Munster Fusiliers, 5, Connaught
Rangers and 1, 15th (The King’s) Hussars. Also included on the memorial are
the French civilians who helped them: Vincent Chalandre, the Logez and
Chalandre families and villagers.
IRON MEMORIAL FUND:
Donations by Credit Transfer
Name of Account: Iron Memorial Fund
Bank Sort Code: 40-22-27
Address: 12 Westgate, Guisborough TS14 6BE, United Kingdom
Account No. 01457055
Donations by Cheque
Cheques should be made payable to: ‘Iron Memorial Fund 402227 01457055’ and
HSBC Bank plc
Guisborough TS14 6BE
The codes for the above account are
IBAN code GB54MIDL40222701457055
SWIFT code MIDL GB21 32P
the Iron/Guise Memorial can also be made direct to the secretary (Mr T.
Moloney) of the RMFA.
The Royal Munster Fusiliers Association (RMFA) has agreed that early
September 2011 would be an appropriate date for the unveiling of the Iron Memorial.
This date was suggested to us by Mr Hedley Malloch, organiser of the
Memorial Fund, as it is the day following the Somme commemorations and many
people will be in the area.
It would give our members who wish to attend a chance to do both the Somme
and Iron on the same trip. All three regimental associations, RMFA,
Connaught Rangers and Light Dragoons (descendents of the 15th (Kings)
Dragoons) have backed the project ‘morally and financially’ and the presence
of representatives of these associations would be very important. It is
hoped that the organisers will be able to provide a band and possibly some
re-enactors for the occasion.
Remember the date - Early September 2011.
Iron Memorial Update (July 2010)